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We have not been concern over this as we have the assurance from God that He is in control and He has a higher purpose in allowing this to happen.
We received this assurance from God last Saturday when we sought Him for wisdom and guidance in this issue.
Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:16 - 18 -
We have remained silent because we believe that God wants us to focus our attention to intercede for our nation in this month of May. Many have told us that they have been reading Berita Calvary since they could not access Calvary Today. This we believe is the work of God, who always directs us to fulfill a higher purpose for His Kingdom and in this month of May, our calling as Christians in Malaysia is, to PRAY FOR OUR NATION.
There are two major events that has been organized to rally Christians in the whole nation together to pray for Malaysia.
1. Run For The Nation to be held on 22 May 2010. Participation is by registration with the organizers.
2. The Global Day of Prayer to be held in Stadium Malawati on 23 May 2010. Admission by Ticket Only. We were told that tickets for this event have all been given out. (Sorry. There are still tickets available for the event. Please contact your church pastors.) Ticket holders are encouraged to go. If you cannot make it, please return the tickets to your pastors so that it can be given to those who wish to attend.
Please read earlier posts for details.
In line with this call for national prayer organised by our national Christian leaders, we encourage all Christians to unite with one another in prayer and intercession for our nation in this whole month of May.
God Bless Malaysia.
ON ANOTHER NOTE, tomorrow is MOTHER'S DAY. The administrators wish all mothers a
HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY!
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I can't access the blog even though on WIFI. But my husband has no problem accessing it.
last night my cousin called me that a deacon told her..after praying and fasting ..god has "ceased satan work" on calvary today blog!
my cousin was dumbfounded!!
I've no problem accessing CT from Australia. The hit count is still rising so the problem is probably just in KL/Malaysia.
i think we should pray for that deacon that God will open his or her blind eyes to see the truth and be set free. Sad to see good deacons being blinded like this.
pray ? these deacons should be identified .did we became stupid after been a christian ?
“For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand.
I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God,
than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.”
Psalm 84:10
Psalm 89:14
Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne.
Unfailing love and truth walk before you as attendants.
Psalm 11:3
If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
7For the righteous
LORD loveth righteousness;
his countenance doth behold the upright.
The Star 4-4-2010
Nam Fatt- responsible for constructing CCC= current liabilities have exceeded current assets,operational loss of RM560 Million until December 2009, As at Dec 31 Nam Fatt had a capital deficiency of RM35.2 M, current liabilities exceeded current assets by RM206.6M. Malaysian Rating Corp (MARC) has downgraded Nam Fatts Bonds following Nam Fatts failure to repay its RM80 million debt which matured on April 6 2010. Nam Fatt had been placed on negative watch since Dec 30 2009.Nam Fatts officials were not available for comment.
Basically what the above means is that CCC cannot be revived and regret to say that all CCC have been are dumb sheep who have been fleeced in broad daylight.CCC leadership- you are really gifted at this Con Game.Top Marks for that.How pathethic!!!All this from Gods house?? I dont think so. CC has turned the Fathers House into a den of thieves and robbers.SP and his leadership must be chased out with broomsticks and have shoes thrown at them- Iraqi style. Sorrowful
when u look thru the profile of these deacons..most of them are highly qualified with good track records in their field. some are very senior in the organsation.to be there, they must be very smart cookies ! to approve endorsed the c c c to nam fatt? there are few possiblities 1> they were coerced into some private arramgement financial benefits?
2. the senior pastor made his own decision without consulting them i.e the 1 .8 million transferred without prior knowledge or approval 3> namfatt use black magic on him so he dont know what actually got into him?
so. our savings , our hard earned donations just vapourized /all sp has to do.is... SORRY LA!
WE ALL KISS HUG AND BACK TO GIVING AGAIN ??
MEMEBRS SHOULD CALL UPON SP AND THE DEACONS to release a full chronological order on the events resulting in appointing nam fatt for the construction and a member inquiry to be held.
I encourage all members to write to the BOD and church leadership for a detailed explanation of the current status of the CCC project. Remember, all of us have the right and let's see what they've got to say.
Anonymous,
Yes, the blame for the troubled CCC should be held against the administrators of CC. With the expose on Nam Fatt in the newspapers, members now have the right to demand for a detailed explanation or an open enquiry against SP and cronies in what manner and basis the contract was awarded to Nam Fatt?
On the deacon who mentioned to genesispassion's cousin that their "prayers & fasting" had caused God to cease "satan's work" on CT, this shows how powerful the deception of satan can and had caused upon the CC pastors & deacons to believe in a lie(CCC) but which they accept it as a truth from God. They are been deceived to the point of not being able to recognise any spiritual righteousness.
few of us in our cell groups had decided 22nd may we will write a letter of concern over the adminstration of c c c , we will enclosed receipts of our donations since inception..giving 7 days notice to the sp and his board to reply.failure to reply or any attempt to delay we will proceed for another 7 days extension.we will proceed with a class action . we have 3 groups(no less then 15) of us ..let see how times s p and his deacons can play hide and seek.
we have raise 5000rm for start off legal action.
we will proceed to lodge 15 police reports consecutively .
those interested.we welcome you to write to us.yoongsin2@gmail.com.
Wow this episode is getting exciting. Am I right to assume that this new group is not the TTG people.
Good going yoong. If what you are proposing is carried out, I will contribute RM5,000 to the legal fees. Seriously, I mean it. I have been keeping my tithes money aside to give to somewhere.
Keep us updated.
To Whom it may concern !
This is a prophetic MESSAGE given to YOU !
Please " JUST LET GO " and surrender and return back ' your call of duty' to our LORD GOD !
24-5-2010 is the day of reckoning for the LORD of HOST to put back all past events in their proper perspectives! AMEN !
amen ! this is no longer just ttg..we have few families here, we will start another class action.i will bear the good news to them A LL the while we been passive.QUIET.EVERY SUNDAY WE GET BULLIED , BRAINWASHED ..ASK FOR MONEY MONEY MONEY.MY COUSIN HAS RECORDED THE GREAT SPEECH OF THIS DEACON ..as above..she will blog into UTUBE.
THESE UGLINESS MUST SURFACE.we been silent praying this to be resolve peacefully not to damage the church.
tak boleh tahan lagi.
at last ttg is not just a group of concerned christians. there are many silent majority. we be pleased and bleesed to be part of this group. this is our e mail address:mccann105@gmail.com
i told my brother about this..he said, sinc e he read the calvary today ..many talk and talk..some would just close the nice words like pray and fast?
big words safe holified !!we hide under the pretext of judging sp and deacon is unchristian?
what is christ? what is christian in the 1st place? what make one a christian?
arent we more asscoiate with calvary church , with sp more then the truth itself?
we feel egoistic when we tell others we are from calvary..what a great brand..what a mega church we be having..equal to korea and singapore ? at last god has open our eyes, sp open our wallets !!
i was reading this lately ..perhaps it would give us some insight ...Religiously and politically, at different levels of culture, this conversion is going on all the time.
Organizations, with their leaders, thrive on keeping ma in the ideological patterns they offer, whetherreligious or economic. In this process lies mutual exploitation. Truth is outside of all patterns, fears
and hopes. If you would discover the supreme happiness of truth, you must break away from all
ceremonies and ideological patterns.
The mind finds security and strength in religious and political pattern, and this is what gives stamina
to the organizations. There are always the die-hards and the new recruits. These keep the
organizations, with their investments and properties, going, and the power and prestige of the
organizations attract those who worship success and worldly wisdom. When the mind finds the
old patterns are no longer satisfying and life-giving, it becomes converted to other more comforting
and strengthening beliefs and dogmas. So the mind is the product of environment re-creating and
sustaining itself on sensations and identifications; and that is why the mind cling to codes of conducts
patterns of thought, and so on. As long as the mind is the outcome of the past, it can never discover
truth or allow truth to come into being. In holding to organizations it discards the search for truth.Obviously, rituals offer to the participants an atmosphere in which they feel good. Both collective
and individual rituals give a certain quietness to the mind; they offer a vital contrast to the everyday,
humdrum life. There is a certain amount of beauty and orderliness in ceremonies, but fundamentally
they are stimulants; and as with all stimulants, they soon dull the mind and heart. Rituals become
habit; they become a necessity, and one cannot do without them. This necessity is considered a
spiritual renewal, a gathering of strength to face life, a weekly or daily meditation, and so on; but
if one looks more closely into this process, one sees that rituals are vain repetition which offer a
marvellous and respectable escape from self-knowledge. Without self-knowledge, action has very
little significanceThe repetition of chants, of words and phrases, puts the mind to sleep, though it is stimulating
enough for the time being. In this sleepy state, experiences do occur, but they are self-pro- jected.
However gratifying, these experiences are illusory. The experiencing of reality does not come about
through any repetition, through any practice. Truth is not an end, a result a goal; it cannot be invited,
for it is not a thing of the mind.
What we need is not prayer by ourselves. What we need is SELF HONESTY ..meditation quietly ..why we allow it ?
for c c c , they must be a giver and a taker’s was good as above. he has the MEANS, THE MOTIVES AND THE OPPORTUNITIES..
HE SELF CLAIMED HE REPRESENTED GOD..WE succumbed to him by our ignorance, by our laziness, by our play safe .until bro lum made a stand. when ttc stood up. many of us took side with sp and deacons..
we lack courage we just were plain "nice guys" ! we all guilty of ourselves.
both side seemed to be praying fasting claiming god hand on this .but the fruits of sp and deacons esp. on the c c c and many other projects tell us one thing? WE ALLOWED IT.
let get honest, for our friends, families attending cavalry, it is either transparency or nepotisms.
stop giving sp and his deacons power over our lives. our money!
i am very happy of twhat we need is not prayer by ourselves. what we need is SELF HONESTY ..meditations quietly ..why we allow it ?
for c c c , they must be a giver and a taker’s was good as above. he has the MEANS, THE MOTIVES AND THE OPPORTUNITIES..
HE SELF CLAIMED HE REPRESENTED GOD ..WE succumbed to him by our ignorance, by our laziness, by our play safe .until bro lum made a stand. when ttc stood up. many of us took side with sp and deacons..
we lack courage we just were plain "nice guys" ! We all guilty of ourselves.
both side seemed to be praying fasting claiming god hand on this .but the fruits of sp and deacons esp on the c c c and many other projects tell us one thing? WE ALLOWED IT.
let get honest, for our friends, families attending cavalry, it is either transparency or nepotisms.
stop giving sp and his deacons power over our lives. our money!
i am very happy of ttc efforts and emerging of yoongsin2,
tey are not alone.
we stop staying sideline , take up the cross of truth..
turn off the tap . turn on god power by saying: ENOUGH IS Enough efforts and emerging of yoongsin2,
tey are not alone.
we stop staying sideline , take up the cross of truth..
turn off the tap . turn on god power by saying: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
thanks for the offer of rm5000.
we dont need it..every dollars we put him..it our battle for truth .
Look like those tax exempt receipt can come handy now. It is the proof that we have that we have given so much to ccc. Those of you who have asked company to pay can get those company to ask for explanation too. We have proof for our giving to ccc.
God knows everything and He gives wisdom to those who ask Him. Now God give this new group wisdom to make use of the tax exempt receipt. Last time, we cannot proof when we give tithes and offering but ccc we got proof.
Thank you Jesus.
way to go yoong. Glad that you have the right attitude towards money. Few people will refuse the offer. anyhow my offer will stand for as long as this battle is on.
The Star Tuesday May 4, 2010
Eight areas of concern cast doubt on Nam Fatt
By TEE LIN SAY
linsay@thestar.com.my
Deloitte & Touche unable to express opinion on builder’s financial statements
PETALING JAYA: There are eight significant areas of concern that prevent auditors Deloitte & Touche from expressing an opinion on Nam Fatt Corp Bhd’s financial statements.
These include the uncertainty relating to Nam Fatt as a going concern, the inability to ascertain the fairness of provisions for foreseeable loss on contracts, and the uncertainty of allowances for doubtful debts and other receivables.
“The audited financial statements of certain foreign subsidiary companies and the Sudan branch of a subsidiary company were also not available,” Deloitte clarified.
As for the material uncertainties which cast significant doubt on the ability of Nam Fatt and the group to continue as a going concern, Deloitte said this was due to Nam Fatt’s announcement on it being classified as a PN17 company.
Apart from these reasons, the operational losses incurred by the company and the group which resulted in the company having a capital-deficiency position, as well as the group and the company’s current liabilities which have exceeded its current assets also cast material uncertainties .
It certainly is troubling times for construction group Nam Fatt after it defaulted on some loans and made an operational loss of some RM560mil in the year to Dec 31, 2009.
As at Dec 31, Nam Fatt had a capital deficiency of RM35.2mil and its current liabilities exceeded current assets by RM201.6mil and RM117.1mil at the company and group levels respectively.
Malaysian Rating Corp (MARC) has been continuously downgrading Nam Fatt’s bonds, with its latest downgrade to D on April 6.
MARC downgraded Nam Fatt’s long and short-term ratings on its RM250mil Islamic commercial papers/Islamic medium-term notes (ICP/IMTN) to a D following Nam Fatt’s failure to repay its RM80mil ICPs which matured on April 6, 2010 after being unable to roll over the ICPs.
Nam Fatt has outstanding ICPs of RM130mil.
“Out of this, RM40mil and RM90mil were specifically used to fund the Syarikat Perumahan Nasional Bhd’s low- to-medium cost housing project in Tumpat, Kelantan and Thailand’s National Housing Authority’s low-cost apartment project in Bangkok respectively. Of the outstanding ICPs, RM80mil was due on April 6, 2010,” said an analyst from MARC in his report dated March 16.
On March 16, MARC had already downgraded the bonds a second time, following Nam Fatt’s failure to meet its principal and interest payment of about RM13.2mil to Bank Kerjasama Rakyat Malaysia Bhd.
Since then, Nam Fatt has applied for an ad interim order to restrain its existing creditors from taking further legal action to recover amounts owed by the group.
Nam Fatt had been placed on Negative Watch since Dec 30, 2009.
Nam Fatt officials were not immediately available for comment.
I happened to drive past CCC twice this week and I noticed that the new exit road was just completed. But what surprised me were: It is only a short stretch and what is the point of constructing the exit road when the project is not even completed. Secondly I noticed that on the other end of the road, there was a big drop in the levels between the end of the road and the adjoining church compound. That means not even the lorries or human can use the road! Go see for yourself. It is only for show.
yoong .yr group is not alone.suddenly many will rise up.anytime during sunday servive we will sit in the front rows ....half way we will stnd up .for 10 mins and just walk out every sunday.
every sunday we will rotate among ourselves .
we r printing t shirt
T O T T .
I have heard an anecdote about Khrushchev.
Khrushchev was addressing a party meeting and vehemently criticizing Stalin. Somebody
from the rear of the gathering said, "Sir, when Stalin was committing these crimes,
murdering millions, deporting tens of thousands to concentration camps in Siberia, giving
the whole of Russia a bloodbath, you were with him. Why did not you protest then?"
Khrushchev became silent for a full minute, then he said: "Will the gentleman who asked
this question kindly send me his name and address?" But the man did not rise in his seat
again. Then Khrushchev said, "You please rise and just show your face." Yet nobody
stood up. Khrushchev then said, "I remained quiet for the very reason which forces you to
be quiet right now. To remain alive I had to keep quiet."
today , sp is what we make him to be..we gave him our trust, our time, our hard earned money....we made him from justan indian boy drivinga blue van in 1976 ...today he tjhink he is gad incarnated ...he think with a tan sri ship with few runnng mates he is GOD.
HE FORGOT, WE ARE HIS PAY MASTER.
I DONT DEPEND ON HIM , THE CHURCH FOR MY MEALS, MY PETROL , MY HOUSING LOANS, AND MY CHILDREN EDUCATIONS! LIKE THE ABOVE SHORT STORY.
IT TIME TO REMIND THIS INDIAN BOY WHERE HE CAME FROM..IT WAS GO GRACE AND GOD PEOPLE WHO FEED HIM.
TURN OFF THE TAP
TURN ON THE POWER.
what greater service to serve god ..removing judas among us.
when sunday some we will rise and walk HIM OUT !
For all those who wants to demonstrate in Church by doing something during service, please be careful. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the Church is still considered the house of God as there are people who make up the Church.
Do not do anything to show disrepect. To show disrespect to a person is already bad testimony for the person showing it but to disrupt the Church for the sake of emphasizing yourselves - it is not correct!! God will not be pleased and who else He will correct - YOU.
Be careful - it is better to pray and be patient until God tells you to do something.
to be careful.how do we describe house of god and what is called respectful and disrespectful ?what is bad testimony ?
was taking 1.8 mil done at the bus stop or in the church? do you mean to say these cheques were signed at the bus stop?
when did you reprsent god he is not pleased? this sound more like someone within sp and deacons striking fear among us.
we will decide then .it be done .if you are not in agreement..we respect it too.
400 were sacked ..400 familes were thrown out because of 1 man who think he is god himself incarnated!
we have more surprises ahead.
dear be careful ,
IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD.
Jews, who preceded Jesus, of whom Jesus was the very culmination.... The Judaic spirit came to a fulfillment in Jesus. Of course they denied Jesus; that is another story. Sometimes it happens that somebody amongst you attains to the fulfillment of the whole race, but the fulfillment is so vast and so great and you are so low that you cannot believe it; you have to deny it.Christ rose high. Jews had been waiting for centuries for this man -- look at the irony! -- they had been waiting for centuries for this man to happen, all their hope was with this man who would transform their lives and who would bring the kingdom of God on earth... and then this man happened and they themselves, who had been waiting for him, could not believe, could not trust. What happened?
They became too addicted to waiting itself. "Now, if this is the man, then what will we do?" Then the waiting will have to stop, will have to be stopped. And they had waited so long -- in fact, waiting itself had become their whole activity, their whole religious activity: waiting for the son of God to come. And now suddenly this man is there and says, "I am here."
But now they would rather cling to their waiting than look at this man -- because to look at this man will be the end; now there is nothing else to wait for. Future disappears, hope disappears, desire disappears. This man will kill all hoping, all desiring, all future -- that is too much! The old mind has become addicted to its own waiting, the old mind has become addicted to its own misery, frustration -- now it is too much.It happens: if you have been ill very long, by and by you start having a certain investment in the illness. Then you become afraid -- if you become healthy again, fear arises because you will have to go to the office again, to the marketplace. For these few years you have been resting: there has been no anxiety; you could relax. Now again the responsibility. And not only that -- for these few years that you have been ill, everybody has been sympathetic to you, almost everybody tried to love you. You have become the center of your family, friends, acquaintances; everybody has been kind. To move again in the harsh and cruel world: the mind recoils back; it doesn't seem worth it.
If a race has been waiting for too long.... And Jews have always been waiting. They are still waiting -- and the man has happened and gone. But they have invested too much in waiting: their waiting has become their prayer, their synagogues are nothing but waiting rooms for the messiah to come. And he has been here!
They have lived too much in it; their imprisonment has become their home and they have decorated it. And now to move in the harsh, open sky -- where sometimes the sun is burning too much, and sometimes it is raining, and sometimes it is cold or it is hot -- it is dangerous.THEY ARE SHELTERED!
dear becareful...
TALK IS EASY..PRAY IS EASY FAST IS EASY...perhaps the above discourses is an eye opening.
i like the last part..it awakened me .
for yoong genesispassion, i salute you.
you are not alone and my cell groups , just 8 of us will stand with you.
we have been conditioned fear, bondages and all the years ..WHEN WE PRAY THERE ONLY 3 ANSWERS, YES , NO OR WAIT!
DEAR BECAREFUL CAN WAIT.. we know this blog is monitored by sp favourites son..i am not surprised they be very alert n fill the front benches with their own people , extra secutiry cctv and dogs hawking every service from now.
this group is not related with calvary today we dont intend to complicate the legal proceedings etc.
yoongsin , do with class and elegance.
Anonymous,
To "be careful". Respect must only be given to God. CC pastors have shown disrespect to God by committing unrighteousness and by this disrespect they have deny Jesus. Can you or anyone still be able to worship God with your heart and a right mind with these 'unrighteous pastors' leading in the service. As long as they continue leading in the worship services, CC can never be called a true house of God.
To pray & wait for answers from God is the same as not doing anything. With due respect to you, I know you meant well, but CC leadership has gone to the limit that others had began to feel the need and time to stand up and fight for the righteousness of God even though in situations that seemed unpleasant. You need to continue keeping up the pressure against them.
Just as I expected, some just don't want to think out of the box.
I am for truth and transparencies and much that has gone on in our church pains me very much. I have been with the church long enough to feel greater pain that some of you younger ones.
Do not take offense when someone offer some godly advice. Just because it does not jive with your trend of thought does not mean the person is of the opposite side, do not know Scriptures well, etc. etc. Just stop and think:
God is watching the Pastors in the church and also watching those who stand for truth and righteousness. Both sides are praying and worshiping the same God, Jesus Christ.
I still reiterate - just be careful what you intend to do and make sure you know whether it is pleasing to God and whether it is the correct action to take.
Please do not continue this dialogue as I have done what the Lord prompted me to do. No more comments please.
There are still regular visitors to cc who are unaware of what is happening as nobody wants to talk about it in church. I have a friend who is a long time visitor at DP, was in the dark until it was published in STAR and when trying to get more info from a member (must be PG gang) my friend could not get a response.
I suggest to those who wishes to show some protest, do so with class and not rowdiness, lest you provide PG with extra ammunition to fire and accuse those who are against them of working with the enemy.
I also suggest to print leaflets highligting the critical issues and why the need to protest with big prints such as "WAKE UP" "OPEN YOUR EYES" "DICERNMENT PLEASE" "LOVE GOD FIRST" "STAND FOR TRUTH" and leave the leaflets on the car wipers of church goers or hand out personally.
Bring awareness to the church goers. Not everyone has access to the internet.
Promote your cause and awareness. Tell cc and other church goers about the issues, introduce them to CT and BC website.
CC issues is not only for cc but for other churches as well so that they will not fall into the same trap. However, do it with maturity and sincerity and not gossipy or condemnation.
Why Calvary Church does not WANT to practice Transparency and Good Governance? Was it because Calvary Church simply & stubbornly refused to do so ?
Many other Churches had and have practiced TRANPARENCY and Good Governance for Decades! They have no problems to reveal all details to their members !
It is very FUNNY why Calvary Church refused to be TRANSPARENT for many years ? Why make it so difficult to be TRANSPARENT ?
Hmmmm - this should answer some of the comments/questions raised last few bloggers.
Our PG runs CC like his own company because Deacons do not have the power to over-ride his decisions. He has the ultimate say in everything eg He can direct P O, our missions director to approve a transfer of RM200,000 a year from CC Missions to his personal Ministry CIM without batting an eye-lid because PG is the ultimate head of CC Missions committee though the figure head is PO
Ideally our deacons should be over PG and has the power to over-ride his decisions - but those of us who know PG and the deacons who are his 'hand-picked' obedient sheep, they dare not say anything and approve whatever he initiates.
Only Dr Lum who had been a deacon for 11 years, received the most no. of vote dared to voice the truth - of course he had to pay a very heavy price - HE WAS SACKED AS A VOTING MEMBER OF CALVARY CHURCH. I have been his and his wife's friend for years and they walking in the way of the Lord - so those other deacons who treasure their 'calling as deacons' dare not stand up for fear they will receive similar axing from the all powerful PG.
If PG has nothing to hide, then of course he will agree to be transparent, truthful and encourage good governnance - BUT HE DOES NOT ENCOURAGE from the way he reacted......In fact all Christians should agree that when our foundation is in Jesus, pillars consisting of God's people should uphold such characteristics.
The objective of TTG and others who advocate that CC be run with transparency, truthfully and good governance also paid a price - 400 members HAVE BEEN AXED.
So, you think PG wants to be transparent - think again - I really pity those who are still giving towards CCC becos even the access road to CCC is an 'eye-wash' to collect more money.....go and view it yourself....it is a disjointed road that leads to nowhere. CC was prepared to Sink in some ill afford money so that they can collect more from guillable CC members who love to give to the Lord.
Hey, open your eyes, there are other genuine needs - by our small contribution it will help to pave way for those involved in missions of soul winnning to win more souls to God's kingdom. CCC in all its grandeur is a monument dedicated to holistic activities (this is published by CC themselves and not come from me).
To top it all, PG, PG 2 earns the top salaries of all AOG pastors - being non-transparent, he can help himself to biz-class travels, gym membership, give money to his buddies to us (GUYNES, GRACE CHOO etc). Do you think he is prepared to tell you anything at all? Look at all the stipends within each ministry in the AGM report - stipends means salary, claims etc and G family runs almost all money making ministries - again you think he is prepared to tell you the truth?
Someone out there could try to nail him for CBT?
sp and his soilders of fortune doesnt need to explained anymore.the last few years many attempts and meetings at the a g m and the c c c fiasco are already truth of scams after scams! with the recent court injunction and press media and other articles, commentaries , even comparsions..we are not letting it go ..allow our hard earned money, families broken up, divided even to our children!
we will proceed to alternate actions, of course there be proper legal advice, and we will apply to the lawful authorities for permit.
as much as we endeavour to minimize impact , the sacking of 400 members is definately "BIG " booboos!
some one wrote and claimed revelations he or she been instructed by the lord to cease commentary ? sp claimed t t g is work of the devil another deacon proudly announced the calvary today blogspot lost in transit the work of the holy spirit?
that doesnt concern us.
we are simpleton/.we want to know what happened and what criteria our money went? and why was 1.8 mil moved out without proper procedure? why is nam fatt appointed the main contractor? why the objection of few members led to sacking of 400 members ?
we want accountability..if this chruch operate on silent mode ?all power in sp ? then we are all blind and mute!
let it be known the sheep will not go to the slaughter house just for 1 man ego, one man interest , and for sure..we have elegant surprised for his brutality upon fellow friends. familiies!
if sp and his nominated writers here, we can host a debate , forum in the church..3 to 3 ..each 20mins..get it recorded live!
i believe many would want to hear it out ..allow the members to hear .hear ye hear ye for those we have eaers..speak for those who have speech!
ican be contacted at yoongsin2@gmail.com
any volunteers can reach me..we will write to sp and each deacons n a copy of this debate to every members.
to be careful , been long or too long in the church give u no senority. been hurt by pains is yr to deal with it..to give under godly advice is yr version and to cease commentary and discussion is our
choice..from 2 of yr notes...i hear only pray be patient? seemed very holy fied!
out of the box? i be pleased to hear some suggestions ?
leave teh bible verses and preaching elsewhere..
what is yr stand on 1.8 mil taken out? on 400 sacked and nam fatt fiasco?
make a stand , deliberate yr out of the box? perhaps u read too much edward de bono.i am humbled to listen.
awaiting a 500 words at least from u
So it was and is shown to be true that PG is fighting extremely hard to remain in "Secular Power" to maintain his own earthly high profile lifestyle befitting a Tan Sri ?
So the 24-5-2010 high court case is conclusively fatal to him ?
So,if PG loses the case , it means he & his wife & children will soon lose their FAT monthly salaries and perks, etc, etc...
What a confused message " Gospel of Prosperity " is PG preaching ?
It absolutely conflicts with the "GREAT COMMISSION" in Mark 16:18 .
the big fat pay is no longer sp concern.he has his own escape route. it is the criminal beach of trust, abuse of power , and abetting with his deacons and few others.
it is the crime that he has to cover, fabricate, brutality of sacking a 11 yr serving deacon .there are many unanswered questions, too many gaps!
he doesnt need the fat pay..NOW.
HE IS RICH ENOUGH WITH OUR MONIES!
for bro ng...ref at calvary today .i was reading a commentary on religious rituals .it make sense when brother ng brought out:The mind finds security and strength in religious and political pattern, and this is what gives stamina
to the organizations. There are always the die-hards and the new recruits. These keep the
organizations, with their investments and properties, going, and the power and prestige of the
organizations attract those who worship success and worldly wisdom. When the mind finds the
old patterns are no longer satisfying and life-giving, it becomes converted to other more comforting
and strengthening beliefs and dogmas. So the mind is the product of environment re-creating and
sustaining itself on sensations and identifications; and that is why the mind cling to codes of conducts
patterns of thought, and so on. As long as the mind is the outcome of the past, it can never discover
truth or allow truth to come into being. In holding to organizations it discards the search for truth.
Obviously, rituals offer to the participants an atmosphere in which they feel good. Both collective
and individual rituals give a certain quietness to the mind; they offer a vital contrast to the everyday,
humdrum life. There is a certain amount of beauty and orderliness in ceremonies, but fundamentally
they are stimulants; and as with all stimulants, they soon dull the mind and heart. Rituals become
habit; they become a necessity, and one cannot do without them. This necessity is considered a
spiritual renewal, a gathering of strength to face life, a weekly or daily meditation, and so on; but
if one looks more closely into this process, one sees that rituals are vain repetition which offer a
marvellous and respectable escape from self-knowledge. Without self-knowledge, action has very
little significance.
The repetition of chants, of words and phrases, puts the mind to sleep, though it is stimulating
enough for the time being. In this sleepy state, experiences do occur, but they are self-pro- jected.
However gratifying, these experiences are illusory. The experiencing of reality does not come about
through any repetition, through any practice. Truth is not an end, a result a goal; it cannot be invited,
for it is not a thing of the mind.
thu music , the setting of the setting up the stage ...and those hu la la n chanting of bibles verses..we are subtlely conditioned to subject oursleves..on many occassions..i saw other doing it..i just followed like sheep to slaughter house..each time i come out poorer!
no wonder sp spend alot on the band..and those hype show..through activiities .we get so carried away without thinking?why we are doing it? ome of my fav. christain author is thomas merton.
thanks bro ng for highlighting this !
To http://www.proxywebsite.org thank you very much. The steps you suggested on how to get to the calvarytoday website works! Now I can browse using my PC and laptop by the landline.
Yeah, it is indeed very very scary to know what the PG staunch supporters are doing especially using the machineries of CC to pray against the TTG core group and their supporters. Recruiting "prayer warriors" to pray against Truth, Transparency & Good Governance in church??? Isn't this one of the signs of becoming a cult?
I'm extremely glad to know that there is another group of TTG supporters who want to be in the front line to continue fighting for the TTG course in CC. My prayer and hope is that more members and worshipers in CC would open their eyes and hearts to the leading and discernment of our Lord. They would be God fearing instead of fearing for a mortal man.
Please think over again about TTG's strategy to walk out of the service. I think it is showing irreverence in the Church of God. Please consider that there are whole families after a stressful week sitting there just to get some spiritual refreshment.Keep the demos outside - dont bring it inside.Anyway, the matter is in the Courts anyway, so why the further aggravation? Vijay
This is in response to the above comment by Anonymous @ 2.14 PM.
Firstly, we would put on record that whatever plans, strategies and actions suggested by various parties here in the Comment section of BC and/or CT are not part of TTG's strategy. They are independent from the initial group of Concerned Members aka TTG.
We have allowed their Comments to be published here because like the TTG, they are also seeking for truth, accountability and dialogue with the SP & Deacons of Calvary Church.
Secondly, we have verified with Bro Vijay who has written many times to encourage the readers of BC & CT and he has informed us that the above comment was not posted by him. Bro Vijay always post his thoughts under BAMBOO CONSPIRACY and then signs off as Vijay.
We understand that there are many Vijays in Malaysia but we put this clarification here to avoid confusion and misunderstandings.
God bless.
If you are writing in about the CCC project, make sure you do not attach your original tax-exempt receipts. Just give them photocopies. Otherwise, they may disappear, like the CC Charter.
Tax-exemption status for building funds are usually granted by the Govt with conditions attached, especially when funds are raised from the public as in CCC case. It may be worth investigating whether CC can continue raising funds now that the project is effectively stalled.
Shockalingam said the second exit road "is only for show". Yes, but it more than for show. You have to understand that CC has to create the impression that 'work is progressing' so that they can continue to dupe church members to continue to give to CCC building fund. Remember, they even used a high-sounding technical term like "second egress works continuing" to deceive us that all is well.
my dear vijay , whoever you are ..the word used show relevance in the house of god..was the 1.9 million cheque written at the nearby petrol station without the knowledge of deacons and members? was the sacking of 400 members decided at the bus stop?
what is showing relvance ? the word show? is vague here.
as brother yoong and mccann elegantly put some discourses, have you read it or you think you know everything?
i believed bro yoong and mccannhas taken much effort to read perhaps some of their experiencing to copy paste these discourses.
i have met bro yoong personally after some email correspondence, he stated at no point he knew or have any meetings , teh tarik with the adminstrator. he decided after much considerations and references with some a o g pastors.
this was his iniatative .
I will tell you a story. Once a prospector climbed a mountain to seek for gold. On the way up, he fell down and struck his head. In his dizziness, he imagined he had found hundreds of gold nuggets. So, wandering around town, he ordered nonexistent gold to everyone he met. Of course, he had become mad, and had become the laughing stock of the whole community.
A sage took pity on him -- on the poor rich man. He hit him hard on the head. The blow cleared his head. In shock and dismay he realized his former folly. "How incredible of me to imagine I possessed gold," he told himself.
Then an astonishing thing happened. Once he realized that he didn't possess gold, he began to search, and to find gold nuggets. Once realizing he didn't possess gold, he started to search. And when you seek, you find.
the releavnce of god is truth , transparency by the fruit of the holy spirit.
sp is one of the oldesrt most elder of teh church, assuming he had preached far and wide for 35 yrs..isnt it hilarious he lost the wisdom of god , the compassion of christ by sacking god's children.? i believed of the 400 members, at least 10. 20 . 50 were baptized by him..just as he baptized he drew out the sword too.
bro vijay,
we have another disguise called be careful...why the sudden admonition on t t g and bro yoong?
there is a platform of law in this country and there is another higher platform: truth itself.
your mentioning of a stressful week? would u clarify that stress?why does one have a stress unless one is an actor, performer or pleaser!
take an example..you been attending c c for 5 yrs..say after some off sundays,,,you attended nett 200 sunday worships.have it done you any good?
if so..then you should not have stress but bliss of joys
if not something could be not so right with you or the person who prescribe you..? dont you think so?
Folklore is replete with tales of epic battles that have been fought between warring camps. Few, though, inspire like that between young David and the giant Goliath.
Some accounts have it that rather than have two armies clash leaving a bloody battlefield, both warring camps decided that each would offer a warrior who would battle to the very end, thereby resolving the dispute with the minimum of casualty.
Goliath, famed for his brute strength, stepped forward, ready to do battle for his side.
Seeing Goliath, no one from the other camp came forward.
David, still a youth, slight in build but blessed with the heart of a lion, stepped forward to do battle with Goliath.
History has it that with one slingshot, self-belief and a firm conviction that he was on a path that pleased God, David took aim, let fly, and brought the giant Goliath down.
sp and his soldiers has almost everything even our hard earned money at their disposals , he has dato datins . we have just one thing: transparency .
as david had that courage we thus have.
we remain steadfast
turn the tap off . tell our friends, families and fellow members.
c c has plenty to spare without any blood drip !
why the churches today are spending on musical equipment and have singers on stage ? for brother vijay since 11th may there had not been any responses from you..either u remain silent or short of words..nevertheless, as u said every weekday u been stressed out and coming to church u feel relieved..maybe inspired..i was reading a commentary from an author ..perhaps many of us should take some caution on these:
Does not music offer us, in a very subtle way, a happy release from what is? Good music takes us
away from ourselves, from our daily sorrows, pettiness and anxieties, it makes us forget; or it gives
us strength to face life, it inspires, invigorates and pacifies us. It becomes a necessity in either case,
whether as a means of forgetting ourselves or as a source of inspiration. Dependence on beauty,and avoidance of the ugly is an escape which becomes a torturing issue when our escape is cut
off. When beauty becomes necessary to our well-being, then experiencing ceases and sensation
begins. The moment of experiencing is totally different from the pursuit of sensation. In experiencing
there is no awareness of the experiencer and his sensations. When experiencing comes to an
end, then begin the sensations of the experiencer; and it is these sensations that the experiencer
demands and pursues. When sensations become a necessity, then music, the river, the painting
are only a means to further sensation. Sensations become all-dominant, and not experiencing. The
longing to repeat an experience is the demand for sensation; and while sensations can be repeated,
experiencing cannot.It is the desire for sensation that makes us cling to music, possess beauty. Dependence on outward
line and form only indicates the emptiness of our own being, which we fill with music, with art, with
deliberate silence. It is because this unvarying emptiness is filled or covered over with sensations
that there is the everlasting fear of what is, of what we are. Sensations have a beginning and
an end, they can be repeated and expanded; but experiencing is not within the limits of time.
What is essential is experiencing, which is denied in the pursuit or sensation. Sensations are
limited, personal, they cause conflict and misery; but experiencing, which is wholly different from the
repetition of an experience, is without continuity. Only in experiencing is there renewal, transforation.
recalling this, every sunday these music choir sing and after the sermons these same songs singers sing..do we noticed that this music is one form of toning us to submit..by walking to the front..if one take notice, some take the lead that other will follow..this is one brain washing..
when come to collecting money..there seemed to be the same
this is one addiction we been led to give !
as above, these is common in many churches the refined art of digging us with bibles verses.
i recalled each time when sp called for fresh pledges, love pledge. missionary pledges, tithes, and many other.these same trick all over again!
make the man a sinner, he be yr auto teller machine!
one kind of scums so organised.so perfecting!
turn off the tap t o t t.
last 18 months we saved 36000rm.
we allocated them for those children homes and sponsored some students at t a r college.
money well spend then on mega buliding.
why the churches today are spending on musical equipment and have singers on stage ? for brother vijay since 11th may there had not been any responses from you..either u remain silent or short of words..nevertheless, as u said every weekday u been stressed out and coming to church u feel relieved..maybe inspired..i was reading a commentary from an author ..perhaps many of us should take some caution on these:
Does not music offer us, in a very subtle way, a happy release from what is? Good music takes us
away from ourselves, from our daily sorrows, pettiness and anxieties, it makes us forget; or it gives
us strength to face life, it inspires, invigorates and pacifies us. It becomes a necessity in either case,
whether as a means of forgetting ourselves or as a source of inspiration. Dependence on beauty,and avoidance of the ugly is an escape which becomes a torturing issue when our escape is cut
off. When beauty becomes necessary to our well-being, then experiencing ceases and sensation
begins. The moment of experiencing is totally different from the pursuit of sensation. In experiencing
there is no awareness of the experiencer and his sensations. When experiencing comes to an
end, then begin the sensations of the experiencer; and it is these sensations that the experiencer
demands and pursues. When sensations become a necessity, then music, the river, the painting
are only a means to further sensation. Sensations become all-dominant, and not experiencing. The
longing to repeat an experience is the demand for sensation; and while sensations can be repeated,
experiencing cannot.It is the desire for sensation that makes us cling to music, possess beauty. Dependence on outward
line and form only indicates the emptiness of our own being, which we fill with music, with art, with
deliberate silence. It is because this unvarying emptiness is filled or covered over with sensations
that there is the everlasting fear of what is, of what we are. Sensations have a beginning and
an end, they can be repeated and expanded; but experiencing is not within the limits of time.
What is essential is experiencing, which is denied in the pursuit or sensation. Sensations are
limited, personal, they cause conflict and misery; but experiencing, which is wholly different from the
repetition of an experience, is without continuity. Only in experiencing is there renewal, transforation.
recalling this, every sunday these music choir sing and after the sermons these same songs singers sing..do we noticed that this music is one form of toning us to submit..by walking to the front..if one take notice, some take the lead that other will follow..this is one brain washing..
when come to collecting money..there seemed to be the same
this is one addiction we been led to give !
as above, these is common in many churches the refined art of digging us with bibles verses.
i recalled each time when sp called for fresh pledges, love pledge. missionary pledges, tithes, and many other.these same trick all over again!
make the man a sinner, he be yr auto teller machine!
one kind of scums so organised.so perfecting!
turn off the tap t o t t.
last 18 months we saved 36000rm.
we allocated them for those children homes and sponsored some students at t a r college.
money well spend then on mega buliding.
dear equaliser,
as yr per se notes, it not frightening of these prayers warriors but the schemes of things to scroched earth the church and its funds, assets and cash. i wont be surprised these leaders are in the midst of taking them out while still in power.
perhaps t t g should take some caution, watchful on this.
when 1.9 million can be taken out , appointing a zerolized contractors, what cant be done?
i am doubtful of the intellience of these when the above are so obvious :FOOLISH.
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